Tuesday, January 7, 2014

Biological Children of "Sperm Donor" Thomas Lippert

We believe that it is possible that Thomas Lippert has many biological children living in the Salt Lake City area, Minnesota and beyond. The parents of these children may be completely unaware that their child is not biologically related to the presumed father. If you or someone you know was conceived through artificial insemination at the fertility clinic associated with the University of Utah, otherwise known as Reproductive Medical Technologies, you need to be aware of this potential. We encourage you to have your children tested at one of three companies offering genealogy DNA tests where the biological relatives of Thomas Lippert have tested for comparison purposes. These are 23andMe, AncestryDNA and Family Tree DNA. This is not a legal paternity test and is for informational purposes only.

Although some may feel that it is preferable not to know if Mr. Lippert is the biological father of your child, we believe the knowledge of biological heritage is essential to avoid half-siblings who may be living in the same communities potentially engaging in romantic relationships, as well as for family medical history.


Thomas Lippert worked at the fertility clinic from 1986-1997 or 1998, but began donations in 1983. It is possible that his sperm sample was exchanged with other intended fathers' samples and/or was frozen under other names and used after this time.


For more information, details can be found here or please contact lippertschildren@hotmail.com .


Thomas Lippert as a young man


Tom Lippert as he looked while working at the clinic


An unidentified child that Tom claimed was his son through sperm donation

**Update 2/25/14: We have now confirmed that Thomas Lippert was a popular "approved" sperm donor, Donor #044, with donations beginning in 1983. In addition to being used hundreds of times in Salt Lake City, his sperm was regularly shipped to Dr. Urry's Minnesota fertility clinic and, on occasion, to other states. This greatly increases the likelihood of two or more of the hundreds of young adults who were fathered by Tom meeting and developing relationships.

He was described in a 1991 donor profile as an attorney with 24 years of schooling. Blond with blue eyes, 5'11 and 190 lbs, O negative blood type with German heritage. Hobbies include: traveling, sports, music and videography. In 1983 he was described similarly, but instead of an attorney, he was listed as a TA (teacher's assistant) and grad student with more than ten years of education. Interests include: stamp collecting, medicine and sports. 

Dr. Urry's former office manager who was familiar with the success of Tom's donations confirmed that Tom could easily have hundreds of children, including many at Dr. Urry's Minnesota clinic, and the University of Utah's own spokesperson admitted that thousands of families could be affected. 

If any families discover that they are indeed affected by Tom's actions and wish to bring legal action against the university, please be advised that legal action must be commenced within one year of discovery. 

89 comments:

  1. I think that 23andMe has been asked to halt conducting consumer DNA testing, but there are multiple paths that one can take to get DNA insights and I wish everyone involved with this sad story the best. You are no less an amazing person than you were before, just a different story line unfolds now.

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    1. Thank you for your comment. 23andMe has only halted medical testing, not genealogy testing.

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    2. You can still get a sizable subset of your medical results from your 23andMe test by downloading your "raw DNA" results and submitting them to the DNA database analyzer site "Promethease" https://promethease.com

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  2. Tom Lippert was our next door neighbor from 1993 until his death. It was well known that he had a heavy alcohol dependency and suffered from paranoid delusions. He also exhibited violent behavior and had a felony for which he spent time in prison. Our family suffered financial and emotional hardship due to a vicious campaign of intimidation and surreptitious property damage that he perpetuated against us. All this, due to a very unstable personality. I would strongly urge anyone that may have been a victim of this unspeakable act of violation to have their children tested. They may be in more peril than you realize. There could be serious mental health concerns for his offspring.

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    1. That being said, it is imperative that the recipients of this clinic find out if they have been a victim of Tom Lippert, especially if (God forbid) any of these children is exhibiting any of these behaviours that you described or has a genetic disorder that is linked to him.

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    2. Hello, my name is Jonathan and I am working on this story for ABC News 20/20. Would you mind contacting me to talk about this briefly? 212.456.6330. Thank you!

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    3. Hello, as Jonathan, I'm also journalist. My name is Eléna and I work for the French TV. Could you please contact me to talk about that at elena@keepinnews.com or -917 392 1504. thank you very much !

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    4. I have two children conceived with sperm from the andrology department at the U during this time period. I am sick at heart because I think they might have this monster for a biological father. My daughter spent a year, as a 14 year old, at a residential treatment center for mental health issues and my son has an extra Y chromosome and has had mental problems as well. The kicker is that the picture of the young Lippert is the spitting image of my son, down to the misaligned teeth. I am so upset

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    5. I am so sorry to hear this. Please feel free to contact me privately.
      CeCe Moore
      yourgeneticgenealogist@gmail.com

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    6. I feel deep sympathy for the potential victims, this was the reason for my original post above. I have chosen to remove my anonymity for the same reason. If you are concerned about your own family and would like to learn more about what it was like being Lippert's next door neighbor, I would be willing to share my experience with you. I believe that once we have talked you will understand what motivated Tom Lippert to violate people in this most despicable way. My hope is that you may be able to gain some insight and perspective to possibly help those children that may be suffering.

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    7. Many of us are anonymous. Please elaborate.

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    8. To: Anonymous January 29, 2014 at 8:26 PM

      The original post that prompted this string of replies was made by me.

      ["Tom Lippert was our next door neighbor from 1993 until his death. It was well known that he had a heavy alcohol dependency and suffered from paranoid delusions. He also exhibited violent behavior and had a felony for which he spent time in prison. Our family suffered financial and emotional hardship due to a vicious campaign of intimidation and surreptitious property damage that he perpetuated against us. All this, due to a very unstable personality. I would strongly urge anyone that may have been a victim of this unspeakable act of violation to have their children tested. They may be in more peril than you realize. There could be serious mental health concerns for his offspring."]

      If you suspect that you and your family may be victims of Tom Lippert, I would be willing to share my experience as his neighbor during the 1990's.

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  3. Leave it alone. Enjoy your children that you wanted so desperately. Digging now will not change anything. Even if they are not biological they are still yours. It won't help. Leave it alone. I have grandchildren who are adopted, natural born, and several sets of twins thru ivf. I love them all the same.

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    1. I totally agree with your statement about biological vs. non-biological not mattering. However, for the sake of accurate genetic issues/health history I think it would be important to know for sure who fathered your children.

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    2. deal with the blows of life as they are dealt. don't go looking for trouble, there is enough coming.

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    3. Maybe that's your preference.

      But for some people, it might provide closure and peace of mind.

      Yeah it won't change anything now and probably won't change how they love their parents or how their parents love them (at least, I'd hope not).

      If I was potentially in that situation, I'd like to know if I had any brothers or sisters out there. Even if they didn't particularly care to know me (I have biological family that doesn't particularly care to know me now). They'd still be family.

      Don't so quick to tell people how to react to such a situation. Just because you'd react a certain way doesn't mean they will do the same.

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    4. What if they end up marrying a half-sibling?

      A recent revelation of exactly that, is discussed here:
      http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2013/02/dear_prudence_my_wife_and_i_came_from_the_same_sperm_donor.html

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  4. I stumbled upon this website, if he had serious mental problems wouldn't being proactive and knowing your Childs genealogy may help them prepare themselves for onset of issues as well as knowing it's a possibility of heath problems. Knowledge is power in this case.

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  5. Good to know, thank you for bringing this information to light. I applaud you.

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  6. Aren't the Geneology tests that are suggested in this blog related to Ancestry.com... all 3 of them (in some shape of form)? FOLKS- A geneology test is not a paternity test!! I smell something fishy here. Sounds like they're using your fear to sell you something. Please be careful and guard your hearts.

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    1. No, they are not. 23andMe and Family Tree DNA are not associated with Ancestry.com. I specifically have recommended all three companies to give people choices. These tests may not be legally admissible in a court of law, but they are actually more comprehensive in that they test between ~700,000 markers, while traditional paternity tests only look at about 15 markers. Anyway, Thomas Lippert is not alive to participate in a paternity test and these tests reliably detect and predict relationships out to 2nd cousins, so they can be utilized to compare to his family's DNA instead of his own.
      Thank you.

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    2. From the University of Utah
      "We understand this information has been upsetting for the family and other clients of RMTI. We want to help alleviate this distress by providing professional genetic testing for RMTI clients who were treated between 1988 through 1994.
      Concerned individuals should contact the University of Utah Andrology Lab at 801-587-5852.”

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  7. My goddaughter was conceived using donor sperm and born july 1991 in SLC. She looks alot like tom lippert's picture as a young man. Her mother has never told her she was not biologically related to her now deceased father, whose family suffered from suicides due to a lithium imbalance. So I am not allowed to tell her anything about it, but I do believe she might have lippert's genes instead. What a mess.

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    1. If they still live in the Salt Lake City area, the mother is taking a chance that her daughter could possibly end up in a relationship with a half sibling. I wouldn't want that on my conscience.

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  8. Thanks to "Ashley" and her parents for bravely stepping forward to help others. Knowledge is power.

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  9. Does anyone know how Mr Lippert died?

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    1. Alcoholism. http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2014/01/artificial-insemination.html

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    2. Yes. Lippert's widow said he died of cirrhosis of the liver.

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  10. What a mess, I feel for these poor families. I'm so sorry you are going through this.

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  11. As this terrible person is dead, do not distress yourselves. Many of us have terrible biological paternities. Some of us were brought up by them. Nurture and nature were both problematical. But we are ALIVE and alert to the problem, so just use all your advantages of life and LIVE it with REAL love

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    1. Isn't that the truth!

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    2. 3:19 about the best damn words of wisdom of this entire blog! My bio father was a serial murderer whom by the way did not raise me. My husband and I decided that it wasn't necessary to disclose this miniscule "fact" to our children, it mattered not.

      All 4 of our children have achieved successes in their lives both professionally and personally beyond our imaginations. I would suspect one or more could have been emotionally damaged by this irrelevant skeleton in the closet if they were informed. They have a phenomenal loving relationship with my REAL father who adopted me at a young age.

      I find the excuse of "to spare them of sibling relationships" ridiculous and laughable. Certainly it has happened on exceedingly rare occasions but in my opinion the author of this blog is using it as a tactical move to instill fear in order to achieve her own agenda.

      I wish everyone peace in their choice and please know from experience some things are truly best left alone.

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    3. Salt Lake City is an unique city. For the most part the Mormon families don't move around. The young people go to two colleges the Univ. of Utah and BYU. We don't know how many times this person did this, even his widow said, "If he did this once, he did it many times." He worked there between 9-11 years. So we'll see. I would rather know the truth and be informed.

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  12. When you are adopted you have no knowledge of either parent. You just get on with your life. I was adopted and have no idea who I am ,my husband on the other hand comes from a very long line of ancestry which has the tree going back to 1066.He has manic depression I as far as I am aware am almost normal. We are what we are!!

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  13. But in a way if you were struggling to conceive and it was because the male had bad sperm then what he did gave you a child ... surely being a parent is far more about genetics. Like it or not you wouldnt have your child had he not done it

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    1. That is not necessarily true. Many of us conceived with the help of artificial insemination with our spouses sperm.

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  14. Re above I mean far more than just about genetics

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  15. Thomas Lippert was no 'father'. I'll say that right up front. What he WAS, was a mentally disturbed sperm donor who very likely committed multiple acts of biological rape against unwilling (and unwitting) victims. The REAL fathers are the men who gladly and happily raised their children in partnership with the mothers who brought those babies into the world. Now some have suggested that due to Lippert's psychological issues, that perhaps his biological offspring could also exhibit such behaviors. I personally think that is absolute hogwash. Children are not molded so much by the one sperm cell that fertilizes an egg in their mother's womb, as they are molded by the (hopefully) combined love and care of their parents, taught (at the least) to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (i.e., the Golden Rule) and they grow up as a reflection of the parents who raised them, and God willing, a positive reflection. This is in some ways like the old parable about how "the bumblebee, being unable to fly due to it's odd geometric design and shape, doesn't know anything about geometrics, so it goes on and flies anyway". So too, should any biological offspring of Thomas Lippert. Aim and fly high, and let nothing hold you down, or hold you back.

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  16. If biology didn't matter then women should prefer to adopt rather than go through pregnancy, I mean why go through all that suffering when you can get a ready-made baby, but they don't - they want to push their own baby down their own birth canal, so tell us again how biology doesn't matter.

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  17. So all these women that gave birth didnt give birth to their own babies...I thought I was the sperm that was replaced not the eggs as well oh hang on it wasnt so they did give birth to their own child it just wasnt with the intended fathers input ..

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  18. The point is that biology matters just as much to the father as it does to the mother.

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  19. No the point is according to some people despite giving birth to the child that child is being made to feel unwanted and unloved by its mother

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  20. I am not sure why not much has been said about Dr. Ronald Urry who I believe
    committed suicide. There was another sample mix up that went to court in 1998 involving the University of Utah.

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    1. Do you have more information on this?
      Thank you

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    2. Harnicher vs University of Utah Medical Center 1998. I believe there is
      a connection.

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    3. Harnicher vs U Utah Medical Center 1998.

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    4. Wow - same doctor too. But unless Lippert was donor #83, then he's not the father of those triplets.

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    5. Who knows. Lippert may have switched out his sperm for many others who were identified by various donor numbers. If I had used that clinic, I wouldn't feel at all confident that I received the sperm I was suppose to - donor or intended father/husband.

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    6. I am wondering if Lippert switched the fresh sperm(#83) possibly his own for the intended donor (#183) frozen to improve the probability of success for the clinic?

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    7. Possibly. I don't think that Lippert was donor #83 though.

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    8. I do not believe that such an intelligent physician would take his own life over one court case that they ended up winning. I think he realized that he had put his trust in Lippert and that Lippert had made many unethical and unthinkable choices.

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  21. I have nothing but respect and gratitude for Dr Urry.

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    1. Why? Did he help you?

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    2. Yes, Dr. Urry and RMTI helped us. We are not calling or coming forward at this time.

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  22. Wow, I am a Branum, not a very common name. Have relatives in Bakersfield,CA and Oklahoma and Texas.

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  23. I think it is important for anybody who thinks it possible that he or she is a biological child of Thomas Lippert to be aware of their biological heritage, for medical reasons if nothing else. One never knows what might be passed down genetically. So here is some bare bones information about Thomas Lippert:

    Thomas Ray Lippert was born on Nov. 6, 1949, in New Ulm, Minnesota, son of Raymond Thomas Lippert (1915-2001) and the former Myra Louise Witt (1914- ). He was their only child. Raymond was a Roman Catholic, Myra a Lutheran.

    There is something I have found rather ironic about all of this:

    Thomas Lippert's widow Jean, who has commented on this matter, was Thomas Lippert's third wife! He was married to his first wife from 1969 to 1974, when they divorced, to his second wife from 1975 to 1978, when they divorced, and then in 1979, he married Jean, to whom he then remained married until he died in 1999. What I find rather ironic is that the man had three wives, but had no children with any of them. Instead, he decided to have children in the weird way he did.

    I will add here as a side note that Thomas Lippert was 10 years younger than Jean. When he and Jean married in Wisconsin in 1979, Thomas was 30 years old, Jean 40 years old.

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    1. Maybe his sperm was too slow and he really needed medical help to become a "father".

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    2. You would think that would have been the mother and father's decision, not the clinic's.

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  24. I am curious if there are others out there that are choosing to not come forward?

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    1. I don't doubt it. It may take some time for potential victims to come to terms with this and make a decision if they want to find out or not through genetic testing.

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    2. I would like to know some kind of approximate numbers of people that are choosing not to contact the University. Count me for two (twins).

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    3. We won't ever know. Some won't want to contact the U because they don't trust them. Their testing will only show if the child and father are related. That information would not help someone who chose a donor. Others will not want to tell their children and therefore will not contact anyone. And others will test with one of the three DNA companies to see if they match Annie (or Mrs. Lippert and Annie at 23andme).

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  25. A puzzling question has crossed my mind, and I would think at least that it must have crossed the minds of many others as well:

    Would anybody have any thoughts as to why Thomas Lippert would have decided in this reprehensible, sneaky, underhanded way to switch other men's sperm for his sperm? If he wanted to be a sperm donor, why then did he not simply approach a fertility clinic and volunteer to be a very legitimate, on the up-and-up sperm donor, as countless men have done and continue to do at fertility clinics everywhere?

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    1. I think he wanted to improve the success rates of the clinic

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    2. I think he may have used his sperm to improve the clinic's statistics.

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    3. Let's see, he's a convicted felon who kidnapped a young college student. I don't think anyone would be interested in him as a legitimate sperm donor.

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    4. In addition, the U was very careful about the mental, physical, and intellectual capabilities of their sperm donors. Choosing a sperm donor was a time consuming and laborious process as my husband and I tried to match as many characteristics with him as possible due to his zero sperm count issues. To have sperm switched is a kind of non-violent rape which results in a pregnancy. I am so glad that the U is paying for testing so we will know for sure if Lippert used his own sperm with my kids.

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    5. I am sorry to hear that you may be affected as well. Testing through the University will not tell you whether Tom is the biological father of your children only if your husband is their biological father or not. We recommend testing at one of the independent labs where Annie's DNA and Tom's family's DNA is already in the database. These labs are 23andMe, Family Tree DNA and AncestryDNA. Please contact me if you want to discuss this privately.
      Please take care. CeCe Moore yourgeneticgenealogist@gmail.com

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    6. I am paralyzed with fear and grief. My son has been my gift from god and he was the one that figured out he was from a donor because he didn't feel a blood connection to his father's side. He has been the most exceptional soul and I am afraid to share this with him. He is on a good path in life. He looks just like the beautiful daughter in the 20/20 episode. Need some guidance

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    7. My heart is hurting for you and everyone who may be affected by this tragedy. I'm sure Pam would love to hear from you tomorrow. In the meantime, although I cannot counsel you on the best course of action - only you can decide that- I would love to hear from you privately and I will protect your anonymity. CeCe yourgeneticgenealogist@gmail.com

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    8. I am not computer savvy. is it possible to contact Pam by phone or is it by email only. I feel I owe honesty to my son. I am grateful for your reply. when I read it I knew the answer I needed.

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    9. I think that Pam would be willing to talk to you by phone. As you could probably tell, she is a very compassionate person. If you email me your phone number, I will pass it on to her. - CeCe

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    10. I'm sorry my reply regarding a phone number for Pam did not make sense. my head is still clouded from watching the story less than an hour ago. I will contact her via email and I will be in contact with you as well. I am grateful you are there to provide assistance with this information.

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    11. Okay. I hope you are doing alright tonight. We will look forward to hearing from you.

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  26. Created a Lippert group at the only donor community social network, www.DonorChildren.com.
    Please feel free to refer us and go here if you want to join. We also added this blog to the group description so any traffic we get will be funneled to these connections.

    http://donorchildren.com/groups/universities/university-of-utah/tom-lippert-university-of-utah-sperm-swap-mix-up-scandal-fertility-clinic-technician/

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  27. Is it possible to rule out T. Lippert as a donor by his blood type so that I can stop worrying?

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    1. I'm sorry to hear that you have been worrying. Tom was O negative.
      Why don't you have your child take a DNA test at one of the three companies that have Annie's DNA to be sure?
      My best wishes to you and your family.

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  28. I have had both my daughter and son tested. At first, they didn't want to test my son, even though he looks remarkably like Mr. Lippert, because he was out of the 'time frame', but we used frozen sperm with him so that he and my daughter would be biologically related. My daughter's testing came back 99.9% chance of being the correct donors child. My son, 0% chance. The university is in the process of having my former husband tested, even though he had a zero sperm count. I looks like my son, who was born in Dec. of '96 is Lippert's biological child. The Andrology clinic told me that he is the first they have found, besides Annie. Is that true? I would love to talk with someone by phone. I am having a hard time processing this.

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  29. I would be happy to talk to you. Please write to me at lippertschildren@hotmail.com.

    Pam Branum

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  30. CeCe, do you have a way to email you without a Microsoft account? I am the one with the Lippert 'son' who posted today.

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    1. Thanks...just saw the your reply.

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    2. Hi,
      That was from Pam, but I am always available as well. My email address is yourgeneticgenealogist@gmail.com.
      My very best,
      CeCe

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  31. Hi my name is Marilyn and I'm a reunion search angel who helps people from separated families find one another; I'm very active in advocating for changing the laws so that people whose parents were gamete donors have equal rights with the rest of society.

    I like that this site is drawing attention to the number of children that gamete donors have. I want everyone here to know that this issue is not unique to this particular gentleman. Cryo banks downplay the number of offspring each donor actually has. The reality is that they won't contract with a man unless they believe they can sell at least a hundred of his children over a period of five years to offset the administrative costs of collecting, testing, storing his sperm and marketing him to clients as a potential father. Please read this enlightening post by the co-chair of the American Fertility Association, Stuart Bell, who is also the owner of a sperm bank. He is speaking out against a proposed legal limit of 10 offspring per donor. He says that he'd have to raise the price of sperm 10 times in order to break even and keep his business open and that would be an industry wide 10 x price increase or the sperm banks would go out of business. Well if limiting offspring numbers to ten would cause them to increase the cost of sperm 10 times to break even it means that currently their business model relies on selling 10 times more offspring than the proposed limit of 10. That is to say their business model relies upon each of their donors selling at least 100 children probably within no more than 5 years. You can imagine that a business expects to put out a little money for a little while but needs to see a return on that money fairly quickly to stay in business.

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  32. What I'm saying here guys is good show for drawing attention to this issue but in reality anyone who has a child with a sperm donor is in the same damn boat. There is nothing truly special about this guy's case other than this bank got caught doing what all the banks likely do. What incentive do they even have to keep track of whose sperm goes with which profile? You can't return the kid once they are born and they offer no guarantee that the child will exhibit the characteristics listed on the profile sheet. Ya'll are the ones who decided to make a baby with a total stranger taking a third party's word about the person.

    Do you realize that donor offspring are not only more likely to inbreed, they are more likely to be inbred? Think about the fact that people who mate with donors don't know if they are related to the donor within three degrees or closer. With all the testing they do of donor semen for genetic disease you think they might offer a dna test to people who want to have children with the donor to make sure he is not their second cousin or whatever but they don't offer that service because it would impact sales. The cryo banks won't do anything that reduces their ability to make money. It amazes me that with all the talk about the kids possibly mating with a sibling or relative nobody stops to think about the fact that their parents did not know one another either and might very well be related.

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    1. I think the Lippert cases are special though because his sperm wasn't just mistaken for other donor sperm, but was actually filed as belonging to the males of couples who were undergoing IVF. It's one thing to receive donor sperm from the wrong donor, it's quite another to think that you are receiving your husband's sperm when you are actually receiving another man's. Two totally different leagues.

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  33. I wrote an article on the donor sibling registry about the artificial limits set by the ASRM. People think that is a limit of 25 kids per donor but really its a formula of 25 families in a population of 800,000. That could be two or three or more kids in 25 families and a population of 800,000 means nothing to a cryo bank serving a large metropolitan area or shipping world wide. Also considering that the population of the world increases every second the number of allowable offspring will increase every second. The allowable number of offspring if you follow the ASRM formula is more than 200,000 offspring per donor. They even call the limit 'arbitrary'. It's a trick. It's a statement intended to look like a limit to the public and the media while allowing its membership to maximize profits from the sale of as many children per gamete donor as possible. Bottom line is that there is no limit because the banks have no liability for the characteristics of the resulting child. The only thing they are liable for is not passing disease to the woman who receives the egg or sperm. The article that I wrote is here:
    https://www.donorsiblingregistry.com/resource-library/industry-issues
    and it's called
    Marilyn Huff: What's the Limit of Offspring per Donor? (pdf)

    We have a great method of keeping track of how many children each citizen has - the birth certificate. You have to name people on the birth certificates of their offspring and they will regulate their own reproductive behavior when they are held accountable for the resulting children. Ya'll cannot expect conventional results with regard to how many children people produce when you don't require people to follow the conventional methods of accountability. There is a mentality that these businesses are going to take responsibility for the number of offspring produced and yet society is not set up to handle people to offload accountability for their actions to a third party.

    Keep bringing attention to this issue but know that it makes no difference whether Lippart was your kid's father or not. If you had a kid with a sperm donor you are looking at that kid having an excess of 100 siblings in the metro area where you live. The risk of incest is not limited to their siblings but certainly extends to their cousins aunts uncles parents and even grandparents, nieces and nephews. Their children will face an even greater risk of incest with cousins and second cousins. Donor offspring have a very high incidence of being inbred themselves as I mentioned before because what do we expect their parents never met before having a baby together.

    I have a massive database with donor offspring FTDNA results if you'd like to throw your kid's cousin lists into the hopper I've got some Utah folks already in the database. I work diligently to help these people someday find their families. I do this for free out of the love in my heart and a desire that they should have justice for their mistreatment under the law and may some day see the law treat them equal to the rest of us. Created equal and therefore have equal rights.

    Peace to all of you. Be glad your kids are who they are. They are perfect. Be angry that you don't have all the information they need to have in order to live a healthy fully informed life. Don't make out like their father was defective or wrong or they should have had a different father - he is half of who they are and they are perfect. Help them get the answers they need to know their relatives and just love them for being exactly who they are. They will thank you for accepting them as is and for helping them get what they deserve out of life.

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    1. This is all great information. Thank you, Marilynn!

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    2. :) I'm glad you feel that way.

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    3. I'm wondering - has there been any feedback from his kids on the visceral reaction to who their father is and are they in contact with their paternal relatives at all. People always say to donor offspring who speak against the practice "would you rather not have been born' and its like fine that they were born, fine that their bio parents are who they are its just the lack of accountability compared to the rest of the bio parents in the world, its not fair. Its strange to think of a company as taking responsibility for how many kids a man has. He's just a man that had a whole lot of kids and did not take responsibility for it. He also had kids with women who had not consented to reproduce with him and for that my heart aches. I've reunited people with their paternal families when their father was actually convicted and sentenced for raping their mothers. They were still the father's of their kids regardless of being jerks and their kids wanted to know their paternal relatives. In one case the daughter got his share of inheritance because his sisters made sure of it. It's tough I just hate to see any of his kids feeling bad about who they are and hope they find comfort in getting to know one another and feel loved and accepted by the families that raised them. This is the kind of case that should stay in the public's face but not to say it was a tragedy his kids were born not at all. It should just highlight the fact that holding individuals personally accountable for each kid they have keeps sibling group sizes generally within the limit of how much child support he can afford and it helps to ensure that people know who their relatives are and they can avoid f**king them unless that's something they are in to (eww).

      It should also be a lesson to anyone undergoing AI or IVF to demand dna tests in their presence prior to insemination or implantation and to require some assurance that if their gametes are missappropriated that they will be informed of the identity and whereabouts of any children they might have scattered about. Check out UC Irvine Fertility Scandal. Doctors fled to Mexico after misappropriating hundred's of fertile patients sperm, eggs and embryos for use as 'donor' genes that they could make 100% profit on. Check out the OHSU sperm swap scandal. If any male patients provided sperm to this Utah clinic they should join FTDNA because they may very well have kids out there who are looking for their sperm donating fathers. Why would the clinic pay for sperm if they have all they need given to them by potent patients trying to get their wives pregnant? It's free to the clinic and the patients will never know. The reasoning would be nobody gets hurt and they make a profit without any expense. As long as the guy is the right race and disease free the chances of them getting caught are slim and the chances that they'd get in trouble for it are 0 because they had the patients sign waivers. There is no payout for wrongful birth.

      I'd say this group should think about other ways in which patients sperm eggs and embryos might have been mishandled. Please join 23 and me and FTDNA because it could make someones dream come true to know their family missed them too.

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